Issue Of The Week XI Fall 2011-2012: Immigration Reform And The 2012 Presidential Election
Currently, it is estimated that more than twelve million illegal/undocumented immigrants from Mexico live in the United States. At the same time, the 2010 Census confirmed that Hispanic Americans are the largest and fastest growing minority population in the United States, not including the twelve million undocumented Mexican immigrants.
One can hardly watch the news, read a newspaper, or drive down a street where yard work is occurring and not be faced with a fleeting or deep thought about two separate, but very related and important questions: "What should the United States do with the twelve million illegal immigrants already here, working, and having families?" And, "What policies, measures, or actions should be taken to secure the border between Mexico and the United States to stop the influx of people coming into the country illegally?"
One also needs not to go very far (whether around the family dining table, in the break room at work, a pub, or the student union) to realize it is a very emotionally-charged and divisive topic. There are strong, often irrational, opinions about many aspects of the issue. Unfortunately, current or aspiring political leaders at the local, state, and national level espouse many of the divisive and emotionally-charged opinions.
Historically, immigration policy has been established at the federal level, and implemented at the state and local level. It is fitting that an equitable and constitutionally correct policy for immigration reform must also occur at the federal level.
This seems to be the common expectation and the Republican candidates for President who are vying for the 2012 party nomination are expressing their views at every debate. Unfortunately, the candidates' positions seem to be determined or change based upon the audience to whom they are speaking. On the issue of the best way of stopping Mexicans from crossing our borders illegally, we have heard everything from erecting electrically charged fencing to increasing the presence of the National Guard or some other policing force, or a combination of fencing and "boots on the ground."
As far as the issue of the best way to handle the twelve million illegal immigrants already here and raising families, the proposed solution is non-existent or at best unclear. The closest proposed policy is to issue some form of amnesty — where citizenship would be extended based on past conduct/contributions and some kind of penalty payment structure. But there doesn't seem to be a well-thought-out policy on which candidates and the public can debate and arrive at some reasonable and practical solution.
There are a few things that seem indisputable: 1) It is unrealistic to think that you can round up and send twelve million people back to Mexico; 2) It seems illegal, immoral, and irresponsible to continue to deny the offspring of illegal immigrants, who are born in this country and legal citizens, the rights that go along with that citizenship: The right to get a quality education beyond the secondary level, and the right to get the best job for which they are qualified.
That is what passage of the Dream Act is all about — allowing the children of illegal immigrants born, reared, and educated here to have the same opportunity to go to college and get a better job as other American Children. Legislation similar to the Dream Act has been adopted by 11 states, but continues to fail at the federal level, in the United States Congress.
Given the size and importance of the components of the current immigration issue, do you think it should be a major part of the platform of candidates vying to become President of the United States in 2012?
If you were sending the people who are vying to become your Congressman, your Senator, your President your thoughts about these issues, what solutions would you propose to address the immigrants who already live here? And, what measures do you think should be taken to secure our borders between Mexico and the United States?
What do you think?






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Immigration is major topic
Immigration is major topic that can enhance various of viewpoints. We must admit immigration allows for our economy to strength. It gives individuals the opportunity to work and help strength our nation.
Illegal Immigration
There must be some way that we can resolve the illegal immigration issue. I think the best possible way to ease the transition from illegal to legal status would be to not make it such an arduous process to get legal status in our country. If we were to do this there may be more illegal immigrants that would be more willing to achieve legal status. But of course we are not the only country in the world that is struggling with immigration issues. We need to find a common ground among the illegal majority in our country and seek to make them of legal status.
People assume that illegal
People assume that illegal immigrants are taking jobs that Americans actually want or that they are the reason wages remain low, but I doubt that many Americans are clamoring for careers in the meat packing or fruit picking career fields. In fact, states that recently implemented harsh immigration laws, such as Georgia, had crops rotting in the field because they did not have enough migrant workers to harvest them. Georgia resorted to having criminals pick the fruit, many of whom walked off the site. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that employers would just raise wages if illegal immigrants weren’t available. From what I understand, they would more likely invest in technology to replace workers or outsource their operation to a country with cheaper labor. Why not allow migrant workers to unionize and negotiate better wages and working conditions by giving them some form of legal status? Then, not only would they receive more human treatment, but governments could also collect taxes to help offset the money they invest in education and services for migrant workers. People also discount the positive effects illegal immigrants have on our economy. They allow us to buy cheap goods and they also spend the money they earn in the communities in which they live – thereby creating demand and subsequently jobs.
After hearing what the Dream
After hearing what the Dream Act is--I had never heard about it before--I would absolutely vote and encourage this to pass. I also think it is a very key issue that our congress and presidential candidates should focus on and be questioned about. One reason I think this is so important is because I feel as if our country is not unified. We don't support our neighbors--unless their skin color, salary, or sexuality is something we approve of. I think that accepting those 12 million into our country (just as we all were one hundred to two hundred years ago)would increase our chances of becoming a stronger and more unified nation.
This is definitely an important issue
Immigration is definitely something that needs to be addressed in the upcoming presidential election. The idea that 12 million people are living in this country without citizenship is truly surprising to me. I think as this is a race relations dialogue, it is really important to understand a lot of the race driven motivation for the DREAM bill to fail. I honestly feel like many Americans are still in the mindset that immigrants, especially Mexicans, are trying to come into this country to steal the jobs of natural born Americans. We are okay with hiring these people to do the jobs that no one wants to do anyway but we are not okay with them living here and trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Many Americans will never support something if they feel like it is solely benefiting another racial group and have their own definitions of who "deserves" to be helped. This is especially relevant because if we are supposed to be living in a post-racial society, things like race driven immigration should not still be a major factor and the focus of many debates.
I do feel that this is an issue because living here illegally causes a whole host of other problems, but to deny someone's child who was born and raised here the rights that everyone else receives is wrong. As far as solutions and measures that should be taken, you can't kick out 12 million people, as this article already suggested. People have lives and roots here and whether or not your grandparents might have come here illegally does not mean that you do not deserve to live here nor does it mean you are not really American. I am not sure what should be done. Doing anything illegally is wrong but denying someone their due rights is also wrong.
stick to it
I am very unclear of how I feel as well as what is good for our country when it comes to illegal immigrants. I personally am against the idea of illegal immigrants because of the fact that there are specific laws set up that I don’t think are ok to just break. At the same time I don’t know the other side of the story obviously coming to America for better opportunities is worth the risk so that makes me feel that maybe things are worse across the border than I am aware of. While I do not have to decide which way I feel one I believe completely that a politician should most likely have stronger opinions since it impacts their line of work. More than the idea that they should have opinions it is a must that they stick by their beliefs entirely unless they truly change their mind. Saying different things to please different people is wrong.
Because the issue of illegal
Because the issue of illegal immigration is a matter of such huge importance, I think that finding a way to solve the "immigration crisis" and better secure U.S. borders should be - and WILL be - one of the major platforms for candidates vying for presidential candidacy.
The idea that I would offer to a candidate for office would be an alternative to blanket amnesty or mass deportation, because both of those options are equally
inadvisable. In my opinion, I believe the government should offer any and all illegal immigrants the U.S. choice to either become a citizen legally within a certain timeframe (this means illegal immigrants would actually go through the process of citizenship that they had by-passed in the past) or else be deported. I think this solution is the most ethical and appropriate for our nation and for the illegal immigrants that would be involved in its implementation. By taking the steps necessary to become legal citizen, the immigrants would finally become part of the system they have been using unchecked for years.
This would benefit both the immigrants themselves (as businesses would then be forced to pay them the legal rates they may have been denied as undocumented residents) and the U.S. as a whole, because the federal government would now have documentation of immigrants in the country.
As for the border issue, I do believe that the United States (just like any nation) has the right to protect and secure its borders. Further, I think that we could secure the borders with resources we already have. If we positioned a significant amount of border patrol people along the Mexican and Canadian border, they coul dbe more effective toward the goals of national security. Even 100,000 border patrol officers is viable, because it is such a small percentage of the millions of active duty military, guard, and reserves. This could be in addition to an increase in coast guard security.
Also, to increase protection, both borders could have a fence or a road that could be easily patrolled with vehicles and easily monitored with cameras and motion sensors.
Immigration
Yes, America was built on diversity and opportunities. These conditions should only be allowed if pursued correctly, meaning applying for citizenship and taking appropriate steps on obtaining. My father and most of his siblings were born in Mexico. They achieved their current status as American citizens through the appropriate standards. This issue on what we should do as a country to eliminate illegal trespassing is a difficult one. It is an important issue due to the fact that most of these individuals are taking away resources that should be provided from legal citizens, such as jobs. I believe that the upcoming President elections should focus some on this issue. It needs a solution soon or the issue will only get worse.
I would like to agree and
I would like to agree and support the idea that pursuing our dreams and goals should be done so "correctly," but there are just too many situations in which this has not been the case and still been justified. For example, corporate bail outs. This country preaches that pusuing wealth falls on the individual, but then they turn their back and prove that "cheating to win" is okay. They handed out billions of dollars to the auto industry. Yes, there were benefits from saving them from bankruptcy, but what lesson does this teach our citizens? If we are going to help the white rich people, I say we need to help the marginalized struggling people too.
Immigration
The issue of Immigration is one that is close to my heart. I'm Mexican American and I have been exposed to a lot of people who are illegally in America. I am not shocked that there are 12 million immigrants in the United States. I don't think it would be ideal or possible to kick them all out either. Although it is wrong that they are here illegally, these people are working for their money and their stay here. Most of the jobs that immigrants currently hold are jobs that American's don't usually like to do or want to do. They are not taking jobs away from anyone; just trying to make a living for their family. Most immigrants are grateful to be here and do respect the Law. I don't think Illegals should be seen as bad people, but rather as people who wish to live a good life. We do not choose our background or where we come from, so I believe we shouldn't be upset for their efforts to try to live a better life.
The Immigration Issue
The 12 million immigrants who are already living here should not have to return to Mexico. However, it is clear that there needs to be some sort of solution in terms of granting citizenship so that the American-born children of these immigrants can reap the benefits that every other American is entitled to. Because of this, I think that the Dream Act, or similar legislation, is essential for integrating these individuals into society. Also, immigration is a prominent issue within the 2012 election. As of January 2011, the United States has already spent over $1 billion on the US/Mexican border fence, as well as other “virtual fence” technologies (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/15/us/politics/15fence.html?_r=1&ref=bord...). The current security measures are not entirely effective to a certain extent, and with the financial crisis that the United States is currently involved in, investing in further security measures seems unrealistic at this time. Because it is such a prominent issue, and seemingly impossible to solve, potential candidates need to have a concrete, pragmatic policy for dealing with this problem.
Undocumented People
There has been so many things that have been done to try and stop illegal immigrants from crossing over the border. There was a bigger wall that was built so that they would not be able to jump over. None of these ideas has worked. They are still finding their way around everything that the government is building to try to prevent them from crossing over. There is no need for there to try to make something safe. The only reason why these people are trying to cross over our borders is because they are trying to better their lives so that they could help their loved ones that they have in Mexico. If it wasn’t for illegal immigrants who would be out there doing all of the dirty work that they do? For example gardening, cleaning other people’s houses, painting houses etc. There are just things that people don’t really think about. In my opinion I think that it is going to be really hard to try and completely stop illegal immigrants from crossing over.
Undocumented Immigrants
It’s highly impossible to have the U.S. government deport every undocumented immigrant back to their homeland. The article has a good point, what if they’re working and have a family to take care of. Among those who work to support their family and contribute to their communities, I support them 100%. Those are the kinds of people we should be considerate about, not causing any problems. On the other hand, undocumented immigrants who come to this country in the hopes of “having a better life”, and soon turn their life around behind bars should be deported immediately. Although, some may argue that immigration increases crime, I believe that most people that come into the U.S. usually want a better life. If the government is so upset about the number of illegal immigrants increasing then they should probably enforce the borders with higher investigation. No matter what, we still have over 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States. And of those 12 million undocumented immigrants, many have a family to raise and support. It would be devastated to see a child without their mom or dad only because their parents were illegal immigrants. It’s sad to say that there are many cases that have happened. As elections approach, we’ll see what our presidential candidates solutions are to these types of problems.
Immigration
With the rate of undocumented Mexican immigrants currently living in the United States illegally increasing, immigration should be a major part of the platform of the candidates vying to become President. It is vital that all presidential candidates provide an in-depth plan as to how they are going to prevent undocumented immigrants from entering the United States illegally and propose a set of solutions to address the treatment of immigrants that are currently living in the United States. Personally, we must hold immigrants that have entered this country illegally accountable for their actions. Those living here illegally should be forced to pay a fine each month to the federal government until they are able to obtain citizenship thus providing motivation to become American citizens. This notion should apply to all those that have immigrated to this country illegally not just Mexican immigrants. Children of illegal immigrants born in the United States should be considered American citizens and be provided all the privileges and opportunities that we as Americans are entitled to. Children of illegal immigrants should not have to fall victim to discrimination and inequality because of their parent’s criminal actions and decisions in which they had no control over. To increase security along our borders we must expand our law enforcement particularly our Border Patrol in order to do so educating and training youth and young adults about law enforcement is vital thus in return providing a pool of applicants to fill the surge of new Border Patrol officers needed in the future. Measures such as creating an electric fence along our borders is inhumane and ridiculous we cannot lose sight that though they are illegal immigrants they are human beings first and we all must respect that.
I think that some sort of
I think that some sort of accountability should be exercised by illegal immigrants, but I’m not sure that expecting them to pay a fine until they obtain citizenship is entirely practical. The majority of illegal immigrants live in poverty and do not have the income to afford a fine in addition to supporting their families. In order to avoid the fines, they would have to return to Mexico. As the article points out, children who were born in America have a right to live here and should not have to return to Mexico with their immigrant parents. It might be more realistic to issue the “penalty payment structure” after these individuals have obtained citizenship, although this system would also be difficult to implement as well.
Immigration always there
In the past and especially now, Immigration has always been an issue in the United States. Undocumented immigrants have always been seen as a threat and danger to society. In reality, that is not always true. Just because a person is undocumented does not mean that they are a criminal or a delinquent, or should be seen as a unfitting “alien.” Rather they are simply human beings that want to better their lives for themselves and for their family. Sure the number of undocumented immigrants has increased and continues to do so but having them in society benefits many and especially the economy. For this reason, our government should seek ways to help these people. They play a significant role in society by working unpleasant jobs for ridiculous amounts of hours, provide for the economy with their consumerism in shops and stores, and young undocumented immigrants with their intelligence. The U.S border should be left as is. Reality is, immigration will not stop. So why not help those who already contribute to the U.S? They will be able to then provide more our country because they will not be living in fear anymore. People should have grand opportunities and it should not stop for immigrants.
I think
I think that immigrants are a very important factor in the economy, they continue to do jobs that many citizens find unfit for themselves. Presidential candidates have to make clear their proposals and what they think of doing with immigration. Immigrants here in the United States should be extended citizenship to be part of our society completely. Immigrants will continue flowing into the U.S. and not to invade or cause problems but because life in Mexico is much more difficult than here, if the U.S. economy is bad what can we expect from Mexico? People work many hours for a very very low wage and it is never enough for family expenses. Immigrants are searching for better opportunities and it is essential that the U.S. aid immigrant families who are searching to relieve themselves from poverty. Electric fencing? is it not the U.S. the land of opportunities where anybody can be given a chance to prosper and progress for a better life. Any child including immigrant children and children of immigrant parents but born here in the U.S. have the complete right to have their parents with them and obtain a better education that will help them be more integrated into society. Let's not allow immigrants to fear being deported and separated from the families, who has the right to separate families? or who has the right to not allow families to unite?
melting pot
It's obvious immigration is very controversial and charged topic in the United States, but I think it's even more obvious that immigrants from Mexico aren't going anywhere and aren't going to stop coming, and why should they? Firstly, they come here, work hard, usually doing work even unemployed Americans won’t do, and make a life for themselves. That is how this country was started in the first place. Secondly, what happened to the United States being the “melting pot?” This used to be a country that embraced diversity and different cultures. This used to be a country where people could come to and make better lives for themselves. Why should we stop them from doing this and contributing to our society? I do think the immigration issue in the United States needs to be addressed and there shouldn’t be so many undocumented immigrants, and I think this can be solved in a couple of different ways. I think the amnesty idea stated in the article is one good answer to the problem, because those who have come here and worked hard and made a life for themselves deserve it. But I think the largest thing that would help contribute to less undocumented immigrants is for it to be easier for immigrants to obtain citizenship. Immigrants coming into this country could start being able to do things like get better jobs and ultimately contribute more to society. Why should we turn down anyone trying to come into this country and better themselves, which could help eventually help better our country.
I do agree with you that
I do agree with you that making the process for obtaining citizenship easier and more streamlined would certainly help the constant influx of undocumented immigrants. If the United States had a relatively simple (and less lengthy) process in place for the purposes of gaining American citizenship, more people would likely seek that path instead of entering our borders illegally.
However, I don't agree that this issue has anything to do with America being less open to the idea of a cultural melting pot. The decision to more strongly enforce our nation's borders and find a solution for the nearly 12 million illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. isn't about stopping people from "contributing to our society." Even the ones who are "contributing to our society" by working jobs aren't on the books; they're not paying state or federal taxes. As well, a burden is placed on the systems that keep the nation functioning, such as the healthcare system and the hospital system.
The undocumented aliens in the U.S. have broken our laws; the solution of blanket amnesty is unfair. People shouldn't be rewarded for side-stepping the citizenship process that – though difficult and time-consuming – millions of other legal immigrants complete in order to become citizens of this country. Granting all 12 million illegal immigrants amnesty for not following the rules of our nation is a slap in the face, both to the U.S. legal system and to all the legal immigrants who actually paid their dues in order to become American citizens. In my opinion, people shouldn't profit from breaking the law.
The illegal immigrants may be, as you stated, taking jobs that Americans might not want, and they may be working to better their lives, and those are both commendable actions. But they went about it the wrong way. Instead of just granting every illegal immigrant amnesty, I think the government should present them with a decision: become a U.S. citizen legally within a certain timeframe (this means illegal immigrants would actually go through the process of citizenship that they had by-passed in the past) or else be deported.
The Dream Act, however, is something I definitely think I could support. Children of illegal immigrants were born in America, making them United States citizens. As citizens of this country, they should have all the rights of any other American. And, even further, they should not be punished for the illegality of their parents’ actions.
I think that illegal
I think that illegal immigration is major issue. Personally, I think the process of becoming legalized should be made more streamlined and easier. Immigrants might not apply due to the lengthy process and the fear of being denied citizenship. Many just want a better life whether it be freedom from any type of oppression/abuses or a hopeful future for their children. There are so many arguments as to how illegal immigrants need to be dealt with and a lot of solutions are to deal with it after the fact. Maybe if we made efforts to prevent it from the beginning, this issue wouldn't be as prevalent.
I know that there isn't much
I know that there isn't much we can do about all the immigrants who are already here, but as many of you have mentioned, they are taking American jobs. We need to put our foot down and not allow any more immigrants in until we have boosted our economy. Americans should be first priority for any jobs because this is our home.
Immigration
I do agree that the immigration problem is a huge part of the presidential election. I think that if you are not in the american citizen, then you shouldn't be in the country. If those million and sum immigrants leave then there will be a excessive amount of new jobs for the American people. Those illegal immigrants are not counted in the unemployment rate therefore those american citizens that get the new jobs will be directly reflected in the unemployment rate. It will drop it drastically and this news would generate better economic performance. It an easy topic to grasp and is simple.
I agree with you we could
I agree with you we could have way more jobs, but how would we go about getting all of these illegal immigrants out of the country? I too think it is wrong that so many Americans are struggeling right now, when all of these immigrants have jobs, but most of the jobs they hold are below minimum wage, and they are jobs that most Americans wouldn't hold.
Immigration
Immigration policies are very relevant in the United States today, especially with the upcoming presidential election. I do agree that immigration should be part of the presidential platforms. I am not sure what the best ways are to secure our borders between Mexico and the United states. As for the immigrants and their families already in the United States we must give their family members who are citizens the same rights that other United States' citizens have. Also, I agree with this article that we can not solve the immigration by rounding up all the illegal immigrants and sending them back to their home country.
Over simplifying?
Upon reading this article, I was reminded of comment made in my Spanish class in high school. We were talking about immigration issues and the girl sitting next to me unsympathetically said under her breath that we ought to just build a really big wall. This seemingly insignificant comment has stuck with me because at the time I thought how overly simplified her voiced solution was, not to mention harsh! Now a few years older, and maybe a little wiser, I still think that “building a big wall” is over simplifying the issue. In the article above, it mentioned that a candidate has suggested even making the fences electrically charged. If you didn’t know they were talking about illegal immigration, you might think they were talking about restraints for animals! I think that lawmakers and others involved in trying to solve this problem need to take a step back and remember that illegal immigrants are people with families and concerns just like them. While this does complicate the issue, we must remind ourselves that people are more important that winning campaigns.
My thoughts are... You cannot
My thoughts are...
You cannot send these people back and majority will not become citizens. Their children are born citizens and then stay here to establish their own families. We cannot stop the cycle easily. We can secure and close the border, but then again, we built this country on the idea that all are welcome. We are then saying they are not. We cannot violently do so with electric fencing and having people watch the borders is nearly impossible and not worth it. We need to find some way to only allow them if they become citizens like we do with other immigrants. We also need to realize they account for a major part of our labor and do the jobs we do not want to do, helping to make prices for certain goods low since they are paid little. If we get rid of them, we may actually face more issues than we think. It is a difficult question to answer (What do we do?)
I agree
It is a major issue that cannot be dealt with easily. Many people complain that they are taking away jobs, but the jobs they take are the ones most Americans don't want to do. If it wasn't for their labor, there would be a major rise in inflation. The main issue I see with allowing them to stay, is that there are just too many people in the country. Poverty and hunger are rising, but we can't blame the Mexican Immigrants. They are just trying to make a living for themselves and their families. It is a difficult question, but I don't think pushing them away completely is the answer either.
Immigration
Immigration is a touchy subject both in everyday conversation and also in politics. Since there are already so many illegal immigrants living in the U.S. I do not think that we should allow any others into the country. While my heart feels for the people who want to come to America in order to make a better life, but they are also inhibiting those Americans who are also struggling by taking their jobs. We as Americans need to take care of our own people before we try to reach out to others. I can only hope that their lives may get better.
I agree with you, there isn't
I agree with you, there isn't much we can do to the immigrants who are already here, but we need to find a way so that more can't come in. This isn't a race issue, it is an issue of jobs and money.
Immigration
Immigration is a touchy subject both in everyday conversation and also in politics. Since there are already so many illegal immigrants living in the U.S. I do not think that we should allow any others into the country. While my heart feels for the people who want to come to America in order to make a better life, but they are also inhibiting those Americans who are also struggling by taking their jobs. We as Americans need to take care of our own people before we try to reach out to others. I can only hope that their lives may get better.